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Is the US REALLY a Christian Nation?

14 Comments 20 November 2009

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The United States has often been called a Christian nation. Freethought.mbdojo.com has a different and interesting take on it.  Think about these excerpts from the site:

  • When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3)
  • Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms.
  • The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.

These 3 facts seem to display the foundation of the United States as a non-Christian nation.  What are your thoughts?

Is the United States REALLY a Christian Nation?

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  1. Burmonster says:

    I think there is a distinct difference between “Christian-nation” and “nation founded on Christian ideals”. The founders of this country, while many being strong in their faith, had seen the strife and often tragic happens of the strict theocracies that dominated Europe in the 17th and 18th centuries. The idea that a nation can operate autonomously from a omnipotent church was, at the time, new and novel but today has been accepted as a way of life. However, that being said, to make the contention that this country does not exhibit any of the religious under-pinnings as directly by the founders this nation is to be intellectually dishonest.

  2. Emcee says:

    What Burmonster said.
    Funny thing is, I had a guy (my boss actually) tell me the US is a Christian Nation over a beer when we were traveling. Maybe a nation of Christians but not a Christian Nation, huge difference.

  3. Derrick says:

    I would definitely say the country was founded by a nation of Christians, but at the same time, our fore fathers wanted a country of freedom, thus opening to door to various beliefs and practices.

  4. Marcus says:

    Burmonster: I think there is a distinct difference between “Christian-nation” and “nation founded on Christian ideals”.The founders of this country, while many being strong in their faith, had seen the strife and often tragic happens of the strict theocracies that dominated Europe in the 17th and 18th centuries. The idea that a nation can operate autonomously from a omnipotent church was, at the time, new and novel but today has been accepted as a way of life.However, that being said, to make the contention that this country does not exhibit any of the religious under-pinnings as directly by the founders this nation is to be intellectually dishonest.

    What religious under-pinnings do you mean specifically?

  5. Burmonster says:

    Marcus:
    What religious under-pinnings do you mean specifically?

    … and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,…

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,…

    Source = Declaration of Independence.

    Or, simply turn over a dollar bill.

  6. Marcus says:

    Burmonster:
    … and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,…Source = Declaration of Independence.Or, simply turn over a dollar bill.

    The passages you quoted from the Declaration of Independence are incredibly vague. Those terms are all inclusive for any God a person chooses to serve, not just a Christian one. Didn’t “in god we trust” pop up on money in 1955? That’s irrelevant with regards to the founding principles of the country.

  7. Burmonster says:

    Marcus:
    The passages you quoted from the Declaration of Independence are incredibly vague.Those terms are all inclusive for any God a person chooses to serve, not just a Christian one.Didn’t “in god we trust” pop up on money in1955?That’s irrelevant with regards to the founding principles of the country.

    Ah, but I said religious, not Christian.

    And the term “In God We Trust” first appeared on a two-cent coin in 1864.

    In 1787, the same year that the Constitution was written by the Convention, Congress passed The Northwest Ordnance of 1787. Found in Article three of this Ordnance is the following; “Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged….”
    Washington’s farewell address; “And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion…. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle.”
    Franklin’s position, taken from a letter to Ezra Stiles (yes, I had to look the name up);”Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion.”
    “The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.” –Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:211, Papers 1:135
    And there are plenty more examples.

  8. Derrick says:

    Wow! Learn something new everyday.

  9. Marcus says:

    Burmonster:
    Ah, but I said religious, not Christian.And the term “In God We Trust” first appeared on a two-cent coin in 1864.In 1787, the same year that the Constitution was written by the Convention, Congress passed The Northwest Ordnance of 1787.Found in Article three of this Ordnance is the following; “Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged….”
    Washington’s farewell address; “And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion…. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle.”
    Franklin’s position, taken from a letter to Ezra Stiles (yes, Ihad to look the name up);”Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion.”
    “The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.” –Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:211, Papers 1:135
    And there are plenty more examples.

    I have been served on my own site :( .

  10. miked says:

    Marcus:
    I have been served on my own site .

    Tis true.  The only “atheist” founding father was Thomas Paine.

    You could say they just didn’t know better.

  11. Javonne says:

    If this country was a Christian nation, the constitution would not legalize slavery.

  12. miked says:

    Javonne: If this country was a Christian nation, the constitution would not legalize slavery.

    Whatever.  The bible justifies slavery and says that it is just.

    To say otherwise is denying a LARGE portion of it.

  13. Emcee says:

    miked:
    Whatever.  The bible justifies slavery and says that it is just.To say otherwise is denying a LARGE portion of it.

  14. Emcee says:

    Damn over-sensitive mouse…

    miked, server of knowledge


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